While I’ve been working on the PT1911 Torture Test I have come across an interesting bit of internet folklore regarding Taurus’ 1911 production. Apparently, some people believe that Taurus bought old Colt machining when they started making their 1911s. I thought this was a fascinating rumor, so I decided to run it down.
First things first, I popped over to Taurus’ website and checked out their history page. It mentions the Bangor Punta era, it mentions the Beretta factory in Brazil, but there’s no mention of Colt. Nothing on Colt’s website either, and other sources don’t turn up anything about it either. I’m actually 100% comfortable calling this one “myth busted,” because there aren’t any credible sources that say it happened.
The big reason I’m calling it myth busted is because of Taurus’ website. On their website they reference when Taurus and Smith & Wesson were both owned by Bangor Punta, and they also mention the famed Beretta contract that lead to the Taurus PT92. For a bit of a history lesson for my readers, way back in the day, a company named Bangor Punta owned both Smith & Wesson and Taurus. Both of the companies were separate, but you can see the influence of the joint ownership in some of Taurus’ legacy revolver designs. The Beretta story is a lot more interesting – Beretta won a contract to provide 92-series pistols to the Brazilian military, but one of the contract stipulations was that the guns had to be built in Brazil. So Beretta built a factory from the ground up in Brazil, and when the contract ended, sold the whole thing, lock stock and barrel to Taurus. This resulted in what is still Taurus’ best gun, the PT92.
As I mentioned, Taurus mentions both of these facts directly on their website, so if they’d somehow acquired Colt machinery, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t call that out as well. The second big reason that I don’t buy the Colt/Taurus link is because Taurus owns two important things: its own MIM production facility and its own forge. In fact, Taurus is one of the largest supplier of MIM parts to the firearms industry, and you’d likely be surprised to know where some of those parts end up. Taurus’ forge also produces all their own 1911 slides and frames. But not all of the slides/frames that come out of that forge end up with Taurus stamped on the slide. Many are sold to domestic 1911 manufacturers who then finish the parts, install their own internals, and stamp whatever logo they want on the gun. Again, the names on that list might surprise you.
When you look at those two facts, Taurus buying old Colt machining to build their 1911s just doesn’t quite add up. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but you have to remember that there’s no such thing as a special “1911 building machine.” It’s all just cutting metal and installing parts, so a company that can manufacture their own CNC machines doesn’t really need to buy someone else’s tooling.
Anything’s possible. Beretta made rifles with Winchester tooling.
True! I’m not saying it’s impossible, mind you. Just that the available evidence I was able to turn up points us toward “probably not.”
That is a interesting photo. Tell us more about that.
That’s a last round FTE, indicative of inconsistent extraction. The gun’s ejection pattern with the last round is fairly erratic.
Is there a list anywhere that shows who uses Taurus parts in their 1911s?
No, I can’t imagine there is. And since the companies themselves don’t disclose that information, I’m sure as hell not going to put it on blast here. It’s also worth noting that S&W sells 1911 frames and slides to other companies as well. There are a limited number of forge/casting operations that make firearms frames.
Why not call Taurus and ask them like a reporter would, rather than reading their webpage to come to an uncertain conclusion?
Or maybe email their PR guy, Tim Brandt…like I already did?
Weird. Hey, next time I’ll email you first to make sure my methods are thorough enough for you.
PR guy didn’t return your email otherwise you would have mentioned it, huh? I guess you don’t draw much water in the gun world.
Truth be told, it was a bit of a longshot anyway. Taurus and I have had a bit of a rocky relationship, so I’m not exactly on their “favorite son” list these days.
I heard that RIA used old Colt machinery at one time. I agree this is a myth that for some reason sounds good to people, probably because they bought a $400 1911 pattern gun and want to make it sound better than it is.
Someone tried to tell me that RIA used old Colt machinery, and I was like “So, you’re telling me that RIA uses old Colt forging dies to make their cast 1911 frames? How’s that work?” They didn’t know.
Next, you’ll be telling us that Taurus didn’t buy and adapt the tooling for Ballester-Molina pistols from HAFDASA after the Argentines finally ran out of steel from the Graf Spee…
I hear that “old Colt machinry” rumor about the Armscor/Rock Island guns. And of course, the Sistema Colt history is pretty well documented. I’ve never heard that about Taurus.
When they started making 1911s, I figured they’d just buy parts from whatever Brazilian source Springfield Armory got it’s guns from. Imbel?
Shit, that gives me an idea as to where this rumor came from…
TAURUS owned or still owns Wotan, a large company that builds CNC machines. I do not think they would need to buy old machines fro Colt.
I think that people might be conflating the story of the Sistema Colts of Argentina with Taurus of Brazil. Just a thought.
Well, here’s how I think it got started. Everyone knows that Springfield gets frames/slides from Imbel in Brazil. Everyone knows that Taurus bought the Beretta factory/tooling to make their PT92s. So add in Internet Confusion factor and suddenly one well known 1911 brand becomes “Colt” and since all furriners are the same, Imbel = Taurus so suddenly Taurus bought Colt machining. Or something.
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