“Hey, all these small .380s like the M&P Bodyguard, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, and Sig P238 are too hard to conceal”…said no one ever. And yet despite there being literally no market demand for a .380 that’s even easier to conceal, Taurus has pressed ahead where no one wants to tread and introduced a gun with a curve in the grip to make it more carry friendly and conform to the body’s contours. Literally nothing that I said is a joke. Here’s a photo followed by Taurus’ announcement text:
Your body has curves, so why aren’t pistols shaped to match? That’s precisely the question our engineering team challenged themselves to answer-and the results are unlike anything you’ve seen before. Introducing the Taurus Curve™, the world’s first and only curved firearm. Engineered to fit the unique contours of your body with no visible printing, the Curve is easily one of the most groundbreaking firearms ever conceived. An extreme departure from your typical compact .380, you’ll find the Curve takes form and function to an entirely unprecedented level. With its patented, snag-free design, the Curve boasts the industry’s first-ever light and laser built right into the frame. Exceptionally accurate and extremely lightweight at just 10.2 ounces, the Curve is one ultra-comfortable, ultra-reliable personal defense handgun.
We have reached the point where firearms manufacturing boilerplate officially sounds like it was written by the Onion. But hey, the gun does have some cool features. It has an integrated light and laser…that doesn’t feature instinctive activation, and it comes standard with a belt clip so you can slide a striker fired gun without a manual safety right next to your body without the benefit of anything covering the trigger guard! But hey, at least you’ll have 6+1 rounds of .380 on tap…which you could get in a Bodyguard, a Glock 42, a Ruger LCP, or a Sig P238, all of which are made by reputable manufacturers.
But the funniest thing about all of this was when I went to Taurus’ own promo page for the gun, TheGunYouWear.Com. On that page, right where god and everyone can see it is a typo – instead of “formfitting” firepower, it says “formitting.” It might be changed, so I screencapped it because lol. To see the image at full res you can click on it.
Which brings me around to my fundamental problem with this gun, is that it’s just not a serious gun. It’s a gimmick, and a poor one at that. The CCW market has not cried out to the heavens for a curved gun that conforms to our bodies, because the current crop of small .380s are easy to conceal. What’s going to happen instead is that Gun Store Cleetus is going to have a woman roll into his shop, and he’s going to recommend the little Taurus .380 for the little lady because it’s curvy like her hips and herp-derp ladies like stuff like that. Which means that a woman who was genuinely interested in personal protection will now be saddled with the worst kind of talisman pistol instead of something that would actually work, like an M&P Shield or a Glock 42.
That is really why I’m blasting this gun. Yes, it’s easy to make a few “lolTaurusSux” jokes, but what really grates at me is that instead of spending time and effort to improve their quality control on their existing lines of guns, they instead launched a gun that literally no one has asked for. It’s barely even a gun, because of the way it’s going to be marketed, it will most likely be purchased the same way one would buy a lucky cross – wave it in the general direction of evil and hope for the best.
IF the Taurus Curve is reliable, that would be an improvement. I doubt it will be. IF the laser and light are sturdy and easy to activate, that would be good. I don’t think they will be. But again, I come back to the key point of all this: this gun is nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed to separate uneducated customers from their money. In many other industries that would be fine, but here? The people that will buy this gun are buying a gun possibly to defend their lives with. They deserve better than a gimmick. They deserve quality control, and a reliable, dependable firearm. Not a gun that’s shaped to match their hips.
What if you are left handed?
The serialized bit is the FCG, like the new sig polymers, so presumably one could swap out the right-hand curve chassis for a left-hand curve chassis for 40bux or less. Presumably.
One of my first thoughts was “what if one is left handed?” The curve would appear to make concealment then tougher since the grip would stick out more than on a flat gun.
When I saw the prototype at SHOT 2013, they mentioned they would eventually build a left-handed model. Eventually.
The magazine is still straight, so the gun is got to be noticeably wider than any of the other micro .380s, regardless of the curve (actually because of the curve).
I must be in a very, very small group. I have two Taurus pistols that work every time I pick them up. I have a PT 99 that I have shot the barrel out of three times. Sending the firearm back and receiving it back with a replacement barrel and with test fire targets. I also have a PT940 that I carry and shoot local matches with. Again it functions every time and is a lot more accurate than me.
I agree with you in the Curve .380 being a solution to a non existing problem but please wait to pounce on it’s performance till it is on the market. By the way, I also have a Diamond Back DB9 that people talk trash about. But I find it works, it is accurate, and it is easily concealable. As you know Diamond Back is a part of Taurus.
“I have a PT 99 that I have shot the barrel out of three times.”
I think he means that the barrel came loose and went flying out of the gun. It was after the third time that happened he sent it to Taurus for service.
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That would be something to get on video though!
LMAO!!!
Thats how I took it too!
Sorry Caleb, I have been shooting it in local matches since the late 80’s and my son started shooting it 9 years ago. The underlug? on the barrel will eventually break, (as does the Beretta) and this has happened three times. We normally shoot two to three times a month plus practice. My grandson is going to be big enough to use it come next spring also.
Breaking the locking lug is a considerably different failure than shooting the barrel out. If you’d said that you broke three locking lugs on your Taurus, I wouldn’t have been surprised at all.
Ok you are correct. As it is connected to the barrel it has been re-barreled three times. So three major failures in 15-16 yrs of use. I can live with that. Unless of course it happens in a real life situation. HMMM. 🙂
Wow. My initial thought was something along the lines of “Okay, another Taurus gimmick, whatever. It’s got a built in light, so that’s cool, I guess.”
But then, I noticed the “sight”… What is this? “Fuck it, it’s got a laser, so we’ll just etch a line in there as an “index point” and hopefully no one bitches, too much.”
AND THEN, I noticed the mag release. It’s like they took a look at one of history’s worst .380 pocket pistols, the SW380, and said, “Hey, let’s use that same piece of shit mag release that involves 2 hands.
At least a little bit of the frame is textured, because the rest looks pretty freakin’ slick.
Why do you hate capitalism?
In the final essay I turned in for my international marketing class last night, I analyzed the world small arms market and made recommendations to Taurus. One of my recommendations was to shamefully pander to the U.S. concealed carry market and women in particular.
I think they already got the memo…
I can’t think of an issue dealing with concealed carry that is more overrated than printing. That’s usually solved by a different holster design or slightly changing your mode of dress. “Designing” a gun around it is silly.
What a great idea!
Said no one ever.
I own a Taurus .38 special revolver never had a problem. As far as this the laser and light are a nice feature ( if they work good ) id wait till its out before I slam it…
Caleb, that’s not a pistol. You’ve just reviewed a pocket flashlight and laser pointer, which for an inexplicable reason has a .380 barrel on top.
It doesn’t have sights, because the pistol is unlikely to work long enough for the user to see where to hold. The grip is canted, because if you’re shooting this gun enough to need to reload it, a series of dreadful errors have already happened and another one is entirely appropriate.
Heres an article idea- buy some gas station flashlights from all over Sioux Falls, park this thing next to them on a bench, and see which one fails first on the range. I’ll wager this abomination won’t be the last product standing!
Before anyone thinks im just a Taurus hater, understand that A)I’ve owned a PT99 and B) most gun owners don’t shoot more then 500 rounds a year. Because if they did, Taurus would go bankrupt from warranty inventory losses.
You sir are a winner. I have a text from first shirt that says you can take the rest of the day off.
“Caleb, that’s not a pistol. You’ve just reviewed a pocket flashlight and laser pointer, which for an inexplicable reason has a .380 barrel on top.”
That is a classic. LMAO!
Caleb this is a joke right? I mean your messing with us right?
I wish I was.
Damn! Suddenly the laughing so hard I launch eggnog when I saw this isn’t so funny.
I’m going to wait for the ATF Tech Branch letter on this one. It will be an AOW if it can be fired while it does not look like a gun.
And this thing looks like a pile of shit. I guess it comes down to if it fires or not.
Dude. Did you even read about this gun first? The gun comes with a trigger protector and is not a striker fire.
It comes with a trigger protector.
Oh good, because people won’t lose a tiny piece of plastic.
And for a not-striker fired gun, there seems to be a real lack of a hammer.
The hammer is internal. Surely you’ve heard of an internal hammer, right? And if you take your responsibility of carrying a gun seriously, I’m sure you would not lose the trigger protector. Sure, people can have their own opinions on here about any gun but it really seems like you have a tad bigger agenda against this company for whatever reason. Just say you don’t like it or maybe after you actually research it correctly and even more, shoot one (which I will hold off on all performance comments until I actually do), then give your opinion based on true facts and experience. Not the ones you make up in Calebland.
You wouldn’t carry a Taurus.
From the photo of the rear of the gun, it looks like it has a big opening on the back of the slide to shroud the hammer. FYI: That’s not innovative; small cheap DAO guns like Kel-Tec P-11 and the Ruger LCP have been doing that for along time. According to the Guns & Ammo puff-piece
See photo at http://www.gunsandammo.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/first-look-taurus-curve/taurus_curve_14.jpg , which shows the hammer.
I thought that settled the matter, but the specs in the Guns & Ammo article say
According to a comment by Tyler London, the action is
It’s very obviously hammer-fired. It has the same open back on the slide that the Taurus TCP, Ruger LCP and LC9, a few Kel-Tec models, S&W Bodyguard 380, and a whole crap ton of other small pistols have.
The trigger protector is absolutely necessary if you carry with a round chambered. Not everyone does that. It would be perfectly safe to carry this gun Mexican style without a round in the pipe. If you want to clip it in your waistband *and* keep it chambered, then use the trigger protector. Run your belt through the lanyard so when you draw the pistol, the trigger protector thing stays behind.
Bashing Taurus’ tiny piece of plastic but failing to mention that Taurus is FAR from the first to do this shows an obvious bias against Taurus (not that the article didn’t make that clear already). The wonderful Sig P238 that you mentioned below (and the P938) often ships WITH THIS SAME TRIGGER PROTECTOR DESIGN. See here (http://images.rockwellarms.com/ProductImages/SigSauer/Accessories/HOL-TG-X38.jpg) and here (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10/jeremy-s/gun-review-sig-sauer-p938/). It may have all stemmed from the extremely popular Raven Concealment Vanguard: http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-holster-system/
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not fan of this “holster” design. But I certainly don’t think it’s stupid on a Taurus but a great idea on a Sig or a GLOCK, which seems to be Caleb’s consensus. Or possibly just further lack of knowledge of firearms and of the firearm market (like not knowing of the common existence of internal hammers)?
Where to start with you…
First off, yes I am quite familiar with internal hammers. Second, I’m also quite familiar with the Vanguard. Most importantly, I’m familiar with the gun buying public. If you think for a second that the trigger protector that this “gun” ships with isn’t going to get left in the box, you clearly don’t know Taurus consumers.
But now I want to get to my favorite part of your comment, where you said that this gun is safe for chamber empty carry. Just stop right there. If you carry a gun, any gun, with the chamber empty, you have absolutely zero business carrying a gun. I’m dead serious. If you think chamber empty carry is a viable option, you don’t need a gun, you need a magical talisman to ward off evil, because you’re a fundamentally unserious person and not to be trusted with guns.
Chamber empty carry is terrible.
I’m really not sure you are familiar with internal hammers. A couple days ago you said “And for a not-striker fired gun, there seems to be a real lack of a hammer.”
I personally carry chambered as I agree with you that chamber empty carry is a massive detriment to effective self defense. However, it’s also extremely common and I’d wager that the casual or otherwise non-serious gun owners who may purchase this gun (basically, the people described by Bob Owens: http://bearingarms.com/youre-wrong-taurus-curve/) are going to lean very heavily in the chamber empty carry group. It’s a comfort-level decision that people have a right to make. I think training until proficient and comfortable and then carrying chambered is the correct answer, but am no where near as derisive and smug as you about those who make other choices. Nor as snobby about the price range of one’s chosen firearm.
Additionally, your magical talisman comment is hyperbole, as we all know that the mere presentation of a firearm is sufficient to deescalate the *vast* majority of self defense scenarios. Most successful defensive gun uses do not even involve a single shot fired. This is one big reason DGU statistics are difficult to lock down, as many DGUs go unreported. Again, I totally agree with you that carrying with an empty chamber is crap. But we both known that even a firearm with an empty chamber is a powerful self defense tool.
I do feel like most folks who train are going to carry chambered, but there are plenty of cases where that isn’t the choice and there are many people who train very seriously to draw and chamber a round while doing so. One isn’t fundamentally “unserious and incapable of being trusted with a firearm” for no other reason than they don’t carry chambered. That would rule out the entire Israel Defense Forces, security forces, etc…
If you’re going to make the argument that just showing a gun is sufficient to ward off most attacks, it follows that most people carrying guns don’t really need that gun, just a realistic looking “gun-like object.”
Which is actually what this Taurus is. A gun like object.
In a dark corner of level B3 somewhere in Taurus there are a few long forgotten gunmakers and engineers wimpering. They’re softly crying “Can’t we just build a real gun?”
But, it fits perfectly in Brazilian babes’ bikinis, and the woman in the ad looks so much like Jennifer Lopez…….
That sums up what’s wrong with this gun.
I have nothing against the design, or that “no one has asked for” it. Just because it’s not my cup o’ tea doesn’t mean it’s inherently wrong. It’s great that some designers are thinking outside-of-the-box, and coming up with new ideas, even if the ideas eventually don’t pan out. Let the market decide, blah blah blah. Although firearms are a mature technology, maybe somebody will come up with a good idea that nobody ever thought of before. Even if a (well-designed and well-built) curved gun satisfies only a very niche market, more power to it.
But the company doing that should not be Taurus. Taurus should concentrate on fixing their quality control problems before expanding their product line, much less trying to produce a different design and marketing it to uninformed (or underinformed) consumers.
Sorry, but I don’t think you’re being fair here, C.
I’ve recently become an NRA certified instructor, and prior to that I’ve been doing informal training for people in my social groups. Perhaps it’s due to the nature of those groups, or maybe just pure luck, but about half of my students have been female. I’ve also had a couple who are older, VERY thin, who lack upper body strength. This is also true of a younger woman who is confined to a wheelchair. What they have in-common; they’re TINY, and women’s clothing is not their friend when it comes to concealing ANYTHING.
Another big complaint: racking a slide. One woman actually bought the Ruger, but her husband had to load it for her. I eventually got her to rack it using the 2-handed leverage trick, but it’s still not easy for her. I brought an S&W Bodyguard for another student to use and she, too, had a rough time simply racking that first round of ammunition into the chamber. Arthritis rendered the leverage technique useless in her case. According to Taurus, the slide on this pistol is far easier to work, being non-blowback operated.
For these reasons, not to mention its similarity to the Bodyguard, LCP, Glock and other concealable .380s, I think it IS a response to increased demand. Whether they’re young and tiny, or elderly and lacking strength, women are the fastest growing segment of the gun-buying public and I don’t think Taurus got to be as big as they are by being stupid. I have two pistols equipped with LaserLyte sights, which perform beautifully, so I have no reason to lack confidence in those either. I’ll reserve judgment until I’ve had a chance to actually shoot one and we see how reliable it is (or isn’t), but based on looks and design, they might just have a winner on their hands.
Note: I never said it won’t sell well. It will probably sell quite well.
Also, the slide on the P238 is stupid easy to rack, and that’s a gun made by a big boy manufacturer.
I think the prize for “Easiest Slide To Rack On A Defensive Pistol” would go to the Walther PK-380, altough (1) it’s been a while since I handled either the PK-380 or P-238, so my memory may be faulty, and (2) I wish the PK-380 was made better, instead of being little more than a scaled-up Walther P-22. Maybe Ruger will make a better version (“SR-380”?), like how the Ruger SR-22 was an improvement over the Walther P-22.
238 also has big-boy price. Stop being a snob, Caleb. A lot of people out there can only afford a Taurus or Kel-Tec, and buying one doesn’t automatically mean you’re a horrible person.
It is not snobbery to ask for the barest minimum of quality control.
A basic P238 with night sights is like $550, that is only $150 more than the MSRP for this turd.
I’m sorry, but are you honestly comparing sale price on a P238 with full MSRP on the Taurus??? The least expensive P238 model has an MSRP of $679. That’s a lot more than the $397 MSRP on this Curve thing.
And that’s before you look at the secondary market.
I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s better to buy a good used gun than a garbage-quality new gun.
@Kathy Sams: Newly released firearms rarely sell for much under MSRP, especially if they’re in demand.
Will Taurus make them in different contours? How about a “Knightley” and a “Kardashian?”
But, in the words of a guy playin a guy pretending to be another guy, “hats off for going there, especially knowing how the academy feels about that sh**”
I will reserve judging just yet. But honestly as someone with freaking hips a curved gun just might actually be nice. I may carry a Sig P226 usually but even my Bersa Thunder 380 is kinda annoying when I carry it. So as some one with hips this is not a solution in search of a problem, its a problem that most men do not understand.
Oh and to the get a better holster or dress around the gun group.
I open carry a heck of a lot and not in some el cheapo nylon holster but Desantis, Safariland, Galco, Bianchi, and Blackhawk holsters and that is the most comfortable way to carry and it still has it’s issues because 99.9 percent of holsters are designed by men for people without hips.
To wide a holster and it pulls your belt over your hip bone painfully, to narrow and it twists and turns the belt tightening it uncomfortably. Finding that perfect balance is almost impossible.
Could this be tweaked a bit sure, but no design is perfect. This I think is more of a “Always Got it” gun then a “Combat Arm”
Until it goes CLICK .
Thats when the morally depraved jerk who made you clear holster to start with shoots you in the neck, putting you in a wheelchair for the rest of your life.
You dont transport your family in 1-star rated minivans. You dont book tickets on fly by night airlines with spotty maintenance records. Dont carry a 1-star toy like this and pretend its a self defense tool.
I do realize money is tight these days-but Taurus is NOT an option, even for the financially disabled among us.
Note that a police trade in Sig/Glock/Beretta costs less then this abortion, and will actually work if Mr Lecter invites himself over.
“Note that a police trade in Sig/Glock/Beretta costs less then this abortion, and will actually work if Mr Lecter invites himself over.”
Confirmed- I’ve bought both a Beretta 92D and S&W 5946 for $300.
Heck, even with a HighPoint you’re going to get what you paid for. Not a lot, true, but you’ll get something that goes “BANG!!”
Hell, there’s a store near me that recently offered some police-owned Gen 4 .40 S&W Glock pistols with factory NS for $315.
Not every holster is comparable with everyone’s specific curves and corners. As a man, I’ve had to live with the fact that some holsters, or holster accessories (like pancake wings on kydex holsters), simply don’t work for me.
That doesn’t mean that giving up on carrying a real gun is the answer.
I don’t disagree that this will be comfortable to carry, and I have to assume it will run well enough for most people.
However, if you actually had to use it to defend yourself, is this the type of pistol you’re going to have spent enough time training with to be competent and will it be a natural enough pointer to hit with accurately under stress?
I smell the second coming of the Judge a speedier this will be überkewl with the CCW hobbyists.
(edit) “second coming of the Judge and predict this will be…”
I have this weird feeling upon seeing that thing. It’s like standing in the ruins of a fresh train crash, and watching a goat mount a winged monkey in the midst of the devastation…
Kind of a “Fellini Does Horror” kind of feeling.
Thanks, totally needed that this morning before coffee.
Hey, with that built in curve it must shoot around corners, right?
First thing I thought was…”Tactical Stapler”
Oh the joy of internet anonymity, and couchbound cowboys. When did you all become so jaded and negative and where are you credentials as a world champion shooter or seasoned “operator”?
Just because you can spew negative comments that you feel are snarky and cool does not make it so and it only makes you look uneducated and immature.
Yes we all get how hipster sarcastic you are, and that you believe your opinion is the only one that could ever matter.
How about you buy one, shoot it, then post your real life experience. Oh, and to the naysayers of .380, you ballistic masters of the universe, I challenge you to let me shoot you with 3 rounds of .380 from 15 yards from my Bersa. If you survive, you can then tell me how sad my rounds are compared to your .357 carry gun and .45ACP back up.
No one has ever accepted that challenge? Why do you think that is? Are you afraid that the lacking .380 might hurt you?
So let the butthurt begin. But I see you all denigrating a company that build products in America, supports the local community and has the audacity to make a profit. What do you do? Do you make $15/hr yet?
Post your life accomplishments in the real world and not your high score on call of duty basement dweller ops.
Oh, and have a nice day.
In this post: some guy complains about people posting anonymously and not posting their credentials…while posting anonymously and not posting his credentials.
Awesome.
And not actually listing any specific problem, nor creating any specific rebuttal. Outstanding.
Haven’t owned a Taurus, don’t plan to be anytime soon; but Innovation is always smirked at, until it starts to catch fire in the market place, then people line up to purchase those items at inflated prices. The Judge and it’s siblings led to many 45/410 firearms by other makers, even Big Boy makers (lol). This gun could be the start of a trend or maybe the start of Taurus’ end.
Building junk product , then relying on consumer ignorance to mask the shortcomings is hardly innovative. The only thing catching on fire in the marketplace will be toner cartridges, as they immolate under the stress of printing record numbers of warranty shipping labels.
This is less Innovation, and more like gimmicky junk As Seen On TV!! for 10 easy payments Of Only $19.95!! (void where prohibited).
how does the author condem this firearm over concerns with reliability in two areas without actually knowing/experiencing its reliability?
I’ve got plenty of experience with Taurus products.
I pity the gunstore that adds one of these to their inventory for it will still be in the case the day the owner’s grandson dies of old age. You can’t even get hold of the grip when it’s fully tucked in the waistband. This is like one of those “concept cars” that never makes it to a dealer’s showroom. Just a brainfart.
I’m usually pretty much on board with you Caleb, but on this one I wish everything said wasn’t speculation, or just venom spewed, and that there had actually been a review of using it (even for just a couple of shots). As a female, and seeing the ugly gun (I don’t even care what my car looks like, certainly don’t care about how the gun looks), I thought my problem had been solved that no man (and a lot of women) don’t seem to want to acknowledge, or just can’t fathom. As a small female, to tighten my belt enough for even a small gun not to go weigh my pants down, I am digging into bones no matter how I have it stowed or what holster I wear (leather, kydex, non-slide material – doesn’t matter). This just might be the answer I have been looking for.
As for Taurus, I have a .38 that is very accurate (even with tiny sights) – more accurate than my Ex’s S&W bodyguard and with much less kick (and I shoot them both better than ex ever has – he is the first to admit it too). Never had a problem with the Taurus either (ex had to send the S&W back to mfg after just a couple of months because of issues) – YMMV.
Anyway, I am disappointed that you didn’t ever actually fire the gun before denigrating its performance, and you chose to not understand how it just may be the answer to a problem – just not one that YOU have.
I don’t need to get kicked in the chest by a horse to know that it would suck.
Taurus marketing guy 1: “How can we be trendy like apple?”
Taurus marketing guy 2: “Make an oversized product that is bent in the middle?”
Taurus marketing guy 1: “Brilliant!”
It has no iron sights and LEDs you could buy at radio shack in 1987!!!! Was Taurus trying to top Remmington for the worst gun of the year?
Another perspective…
http://bearingarms.com/youre-wrong-taurus-curve/
Funny thing is, that article largely agrees with Caleb’s post. Caleb’s tone is deliberately snarky. It’s one of the reasons his blog is entertaining (when you agree with him) and irritating (when you don’t). This gun was designed not to shoot, but to sell. It will sell, and if you shoot it a lot it will probably break like tauruses (taurii?) usually do. They have a great warranty and will replace those that actually get shot a couple hundred times. I think the general frustration with Taurus is that they are more concerned with turning a profit than making guns for shooters. In my eyes that is fine, let the Taurus buyers buy Tauruses and the buy the guns built for shooters. Everybody wins.
The gun snobbery is great with this one. I own a tarus poly protector that I have shot 200 rounds with and has never hiccuped. Most people don’t shoot 1000 rounds a month. We have families and car payments and groceries. We dry fire because ammo is expensive. Tarus makes a good gun that is not built like a kimber to shoot 1000 rounds. Most taruses won’t see more than 1000 rounds in a hundred years. But they only need to go bang. Once. And they do.
I’m not an automatic Taurus hater, but I think this one’s a loser. I dislike it mostly because they prioritized fitting the gun to your hip in a way that sacrifices the fit to your hand. Also bugs me that they removed the slide stop, cut the barrel clear down to 2.5″, added a magazine disconnect, and integrated the light and laser, which adds absolutely nothing over a rail mount. Aesthetically, it looks almost exactly like someone at Taurus left their Sigma SW380 sitting on a radiator. I’m not predicting this one being gun of the year material.
I’m now without enough to use my (trigger) finger, my middle finger is now my trigger finger, this gun will allow me to place my index finger above the frame , but not the slide. I’m all in
I am going to wait for the Curvy Judge .410. We know that is coming soon.
I have to hand it to Taurus! They are willing to try new designs unlike Colt who is in financial trouble because of being just the opposite. I can see where their design is innovative just like the Judge revolver was when they come out with it, and the gun writers said it wouldn’t cut the grade. lol. Sometimes gun owners get so stuck in their ways and resist change which is just what got Custer killed at Little Big Horn because the Army didn’t see the need for repeating rifles. Time will tell if Taurus has a winner on their hands but one thing is for sure Taurus will keep right on turning out new and better designs while many of the other big name brands keep putting out they same old stuff year after year.
the author of this “review” (of a firearm he has never personally fired) is THE example of why firearm “enthusiasts” should not be presenting themselves as firearms “experts”. Anyone who has been in a combat zone would pick up a broken hi point, rack the slide, adapt and overcome. The constant nagging and complaining by “enthusiasts” about guns they dont personally own, and have no real word experience is directly related to the fact that enthusiasm about firearms does not equal experience with firearms. Combat veteran is my title. Enjoy being an enthusiasts with an opinion. I will personally purchase, and fire, my Taurus Curve before making a bunch of opinionated statements about something I have only seen a photo of. 🙂
Internet protip: if you are going to argue against the “magic talisman” theory, e.g., “Additionally, your magical talisman comment is hyperbole, as we all know that the mere presentation of a firearm is sufficient to deescalate the *vast* majority of self defense scenarios,” maybe you shouldn’t use an unsupported “everybody knows” trope in which the firearm functions in the exact manner of a magic talisman, its mere visible presence being enough to banish malefactors. Thinking that is a huge error and expecting incidents to go that way is not a viable attitude to bring to a situation fraught enough to merit unholstering.
This little gun could have been a quirky-but-adequate introduction to self-defense but the ergonometry leaves much to be desired. Trigger, pseudoholster and light/laser controls make it a poor choice for a novice. Taurus’s spotty reputation for QC makes it something of a gamble.
Rusty, A. you’re hiding behind a fake name calling a guy who’s an industry professional and literally gets paid to shoot an “enthusiast” that tells me right there your opinion is predicated on making noise and not actually having a discussion.
Second, apparently you being a Combat Vet is supposed garner some sort of instant credibility? Hiding behind a fake name on the internet? Not even stating what branch or years served to gain credibility? You could be an airsoft poser for anyone knows. I myself am a Combat Veteran (0311 to boot) as well, OIF 1 during the invasion in the Marines. Guess what, I wouldn’t pick up a hipoint. So your opinion is now invalidated. Combat Veteran is your title…. anonymous attention seeking try hard is more like it.
Maybe he meant literally like the barrel broke and flew out? Sounds more plausible.
Smells like hipster hubris. Taurus bashing – OK – you punched that ticket. Easy to do if that’s your thing.
Expounding on the folly of the unwashed masses carrying C3 – arrogant.
D. Weisbach
If you carry with an unloaded chamber, you don’t want a gun. You want a magical talisman that wards off evil.