We don’t bash guns

springfield xdm 5.25

I get accused from time to time of being biased against certain guns, or unfairly targeting certain brands for “bashing,” whatever that’s supposed to mean. That’s not really true, although I can sort of understand why people would get that idea. I certainly am biased against certain types of guns, but I’ve come by that bias honestly through experience. I didn’t just wake up one morning and decide “lolscrewTaurus” or something like that.

I’m going to use some specific examples today, and they’re all brands that I’ve been accused of bashing, and indeed they are brands that I’ve written some unkind words about in the past. But never unfairly.

Taurus
Let’s get this first one out of the way. Yes, in the past I’ve had a business relationship with Taurus. That began a long time ago, when a good friend of mine was running their PR and Mark Kresser was their head honcho. Taurus bought ads from us, but I would like to add that they never purchased favorable coverage. Mark flew Shelley down to FL to tour their factory and show her how he was attempting to improve Taurus’ quality control processes and reputation.

Obviously, Mark’s tenure with Taurus ended abruptly, and any reforms he was attempting to institute with him. Interestingly, the current PR guy at Taurus is another friend of mine, who I originally met when we was working with Federal/ATK (which is now Vista Outdoor Group). But my issues with Taurus really begin a long time ago.

See, I used to be dumb. I mean, I still am dumb, but I’m a little less dumb today than I was when I first started blogging 10 years ago. I wanted to believe that Taurus could make a gun as good as a Ruger or a Smith for 2/3rds the cost, and so I bought, with my own money, several Taurus pistols over the years. Here’s a simple recounting of that list.

  • Taurus Tracker .357 Magnum – my first Taurus, and one of the first revolvers I ever owned. It honestly wasn’t that bad. Fit and finish were fine and it was reasonably accurate. It was the best Taurus revolver I’ve ever owned, and one of two Taurus guns I remember with some fondness.
  • Taurus PT92 – This was my first experience with Taurus semi-autos, and I probably should have stopped here. Taurus’ knock-off of the Beretta 92, which Taurus makes on what was formerly Beretta machinery, is the best handgun they make. Full stop. I cracked a locking block on mine, but in general it was a perfectly fine pistol. Accurate, reliable, and good to shoot. A budget M9 if there ever was one. Unfortunately, I didn’t stop with this. If I had, I’d likely not have the bad taste about Taurus guns that I do these days.
  • Taurus Stellar Tracker .45 ACP – my first real experiment with moonclip guns was a Taurus 5 shot .45 ACP revolver that was an absolute sack of crap. The chambers were rough, meaning that spent cases often had to be removed by whacking the ejector rod with a rubber mallet, which is not ideal. The trigger was appalling, it was rough, gritty, and stacked like no one’s business. I sold it and bought a surplus 1937 Brazilian Contract S&W, which I regret selling to this day. However, I didn’t learn my lesson.
  • Taurus 905 9mm – For some reason, I decided to purchase a 9mm Taurus revolver. This gun was even worse than the .45, because it had all the shortcomings of a small-framed revolver, coupled with awful CQ. The trigger pull was literally the worst factory revolver trigger pull I’ve ever experienced, the cylinders were once again rough, and in fact weren’t all the same diameter, which meant that sometimes it wouldn’t fully chamber a full clip of 9mm rounds. Plus, the moonclips were flimsy little pieces of crap. After this disaster, I took a break from Taurus until about 2013.
  • Taurus Model 82 – After several years off from Taurus, I bought a Model 82. I wanted to see if there was a reasonably priced .38 Special wheelgun on the market that I’d be comfortable recommending to casual shooters. With used K-frames in the $400+ range, the $200ish Taurus seemed attractive. The gun was a disaster. If you click the link you can read the review, but in addition to that it came from the factory with a bent mainspring strut and internals that looked like they had been finished with a flint axe.
  • Taurus PT1911 9mm – You know we’ve been testing 1911s a lot on the site now, and this was the first. It’s also the lowest scoring gun yet on the test, and the one that exhibited the most issues. Would it make a fun range toy? Sure. But I would I shoot it if blood or money was on the line? No way.

So there’s my problem. My personal experience with Taurus is two guns that were just okay, one that was good/great, and three that were absolute crap. The problem is that Taurus has had some really cool ideas. As much as I made fun of the Curve, it was at least an idea that was out of the box and showed some though. But…their products, man. I’ve had too many issues and seen too many problems to get excited about them. Which is too bad, because I think they really do have interesting ideas from time to time, and it makes me feel worse because I genuinely like their PR boss.

Springfield XD
Here’s another brand I get accused of hating, which is odd. Yes, I’ve made a lot of fun of the XD pistol, but I’ve never really talked too much shit about them, other than rating the XD as the most overrated gun ever. Which was on a humor post, but it still caused hurt butts. I actually think Springfield makes some of the best 1911s on the market, and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend one of their 1911s to someone looking.

  • Springfield XD Tactical .40 – My first XD was a .40 S&W 5 inch “Tactical Model.” It was just fine. I purchased it in 2008 after re-learning how to shoot pistols from Todd Jarrett, because I wanted to shoot competition. I shot it in a few matches, got bored of it, and sold it. Pretty much no muss no fuss or complaints.
  • XDM 9mm – Then I bought one of the first XDm pistols to hit the market; because man I thought it was so rad! Like a Glock, only better! I also never really had problems with that one, either.
  • Caleb Giddings Springfield XDm

  • Springfield XDm 5.25 9mm – This was by far the best XD I ever owned, and I still believe it’s the best pistol out of the box for competition shooting. The sights are good, the trigger is good, and if it works you’re good to go. It’s also $700, which is completely insane to me, but whatever. I had one, I shot the piss out of it, and I thought it was great.

So you’re probably wondering why if I’ve had three XDs that all worked just fine, why do I bust their chops so hard? Why don’t I recommend them to people? Well, generally it’s because of XD fanboys to be honest. Every time you say something positive online about Glocks or M&Ps, someone says “but mah XD is the bestest”, or if you say anything negative about them you get deluged with comments about how “mah XD has fired 500 flawless rounds.” Truth be told I don’t hate them. I have seen some of them experience some really interesting failures, including one where the grip safety locked up with a cartridge in the chamber, rendering it impossible to retract the slide. That sort of put me off my feed. But honestly, I don’t hate them. I do hate their marketing. I think “Grip Zone” is just execrable, and naming their tiny little single stack the “XDs” was really dumb, because then how do you pluralize XD without causing confusion? Also, their 1911s are still pretty boss.

That’s pretty much it. Maybe I’ve been unfair in my treatment of the XD, but it’s usually because hits pay the bills, and XD fans are about the best example of “it’s the hit dog that yelps” that I can find on the internet. Plus, it’s a 100% fact that if you see someone open carrying an XD .40 in a SERPA that the person carrying it can’t shoot for crap. So with these two examples, we have one where experience had brought me to a reasonable conclusion, and another where I’m trolling for lolz. I’m not sure what you’re supposed to take away from this post, and holy crap it’s like 1,500 words long, but here we go. Hope you had fun!

P.S. I didn’t talk about brands like Hi-Point or Kel-Tec because those are just garbage and I would use their ground up guns as cat litter.

7 thoughts on “We don’t bash guns”

  1. I am not a professional. I am not a top competitor. This is just an average person’s thoughts.

    I agree on the Taurus revolvers. I think they are terrible overall. (This may be because I try to compare them to S&W 586-686 revolvers) The millennium series, everyone I have fired has been a disappointment. I have had a PT99 for 30 years and have fired more rounds than I care to count through it. The only major problems with it has been two locking block failures. (both during matches) I also have and I carry a PT940 I like the feel of both and shoot both frequently.

    The XD series I have fired the 9mm and .45 Both shot well, I do not like the feel.

    High Point pistols are good boat anchors if filled with concrete.

    I do not like the feel of the Glocks Either.

    Ruger has always met all expectations and I think the Mark II Bull Barrel is the cream of the crop.

  2. I do disagree with you saying that Kel-tec are bad, I own two, a P-11( My current truck gun), and a daily carry P-32, both do their jobs, and have gone bang every time I have pulled the trigger. The only issue I have had was with the P-11, and that was mag related, and was solved with the proper application of the butt of a Mosin-Nagant (see there is a use for those old war horses) Yes they are inexpensive, but not everyone wants or can afford a Glock, I have one, and truly love it, or S&W’s or what have you.I agree with you on the Hi-point though…..love your blog P.S. I had an XD9, was a good gun but I traded it

  3. I’ve been shooting Springerized XDm 5.25’s for a few years now, not a hiccup, not an issue. Due to my failing eyes, one of my 5.25’s is going to Carry Optics, and it still runs perfectly!!

  4. I own two Kel-Tec PMR-30 Pistols. I am looking to buy the CMR-30 Carbine. I have put thousands of rounds thru each with flawless results. Three failures to feed on separate occasions. With fully packed mags and one with only ten. This is a fun reliable gun. Maybe a pack gun. Maybe a range toy. But quality is good. Function is fine. Kel-Tec needs to commit to manufacturing and sustaining its product lines but otherwise the innovative products represent workable ideas that contribute to the industry as a whole. Granted, some of the picture is sketched thin but by no means is everything, in my experience, garbage.

  5. First time I shopped for a handgun, the shop owner tried to sell me a Kel-Tec 380. It reminded me of the stamped steel guns we played with as kids in the 60’s. Also showed me the low end S&W line now known as the SD series I believe. Showed me Hi-Points and the lower end Rugers at the time. It was almost as if they wanted to keep me away from looking at the better models for a reason. Kept telling me how expensive an M&P 9 was or the LCP vs the Kel-Tec. I chose to buy the higher end, why waste money on less expensive guns I am not going to like or keep, just because they are cheap? After all, a better gun will have better resale if and when the time to do so presents itself. Today I still have both the M&P 9 full size and LCP; both have proved to be flawless reliable and as accurate as I can be with my human limitations. Springfield, CZ, Glock, Kimber, S&W, Colt, Ruger, Rock Island, Kahr, even Charter Arms & Remington make firearms worth looking at. I’ve had something from each of them (except Colt & Glock) over the years and none of them have given reason to believe they cannot and do not make a product worth investing in.

  6. “Well, generally it’s because of XD fanboys to be honest. Every time you say something positive online about Glocks or M&Ps, someone says ‘but mah XD is the bestest'”

    There is a fraction of the “Internet gun enthusiast community” that is very vocal about loathing the XD. I wonder how much of the XD fanboi behaviour is a reaction to that.

    1. I have never reacted, nor do I care what the Interwebz Morons say or do!!

      I shoot what I like and what works for me

      After the work Springer did for me, these XDm 5.25’s are just about perfect!!

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