Armslist fails: Ruined Mosin-Nagant

You know what are cool? Milsurp rifles. Springfields, Enfields, Garands, Mausers, and yes, even Mosins. There’s a touch of history, a feeling of being connected to the past when you get to take one of these out and shoot it. People think I hate the Mosin Nagant, but I don’t. I think it’s a cool historical rifle that is still showing up on battlefields today. You know what isn’t cool? Taking one of those neat rifles and ruining it, like this guy on Armslist.

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Here’s the text of the original auction:

Selling my very good condition mosin nagant. Come with the upgraded arch angel stock with a 5 and 10 Rd mag, aim 2-7 x 24 scope, upgraded bent bolt with oversized knob, Not come with bi-pod. Original Stock comes with it. 650 OBO – Make an Offer!

Okay, first off you want how much for it? 650 bucks? Boy, you must be out of your god-given mind to think that your wrecked gun and a cheap injection molded stock are worth that kind of scratch. You probably paid $179 for that rifle, and now that it’s all jacked up it’s worth…about tree-fiddy. As in $3.50.

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Let’s go through the list of crap parts:

  • Aim Sports 2-7X42 30mm Scout Scope – $70 bucks on Amazon. If that thing holds a zero after more than one shot, I will eat my fancy gunbelt. There’s just no way that sucker is going to be worth a crap, especially mounted on that terrible cheap rail.
  • Bent bolt with oversized knob – That’s not the only knob in this auction, that’s for sure. Look, when you have to change one of the key parts of a bolt action rifle to accommodate your crappy aftermarket stock and scope, maaaaaaaaaybe you’re making poor choices. Do you really think you’re smarter than the Imperial Russian Army?
  • Archangel Stock – Archangel makes some cool products, but this? Not one of them. This is just $170 bucks of plastic wrapped around an ancient barrel and action by people who are too poor to afford a Ruger American Rifle…which is weird, since the cost of a Mosin + this stock is about the same as a Ruger American Rifle off the shelf.

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“Will trade for any hi cal bolt action.”

So you’re saying that you weren’t able to successfully turn your budget blaster into a sub-MOA tac-driver? Weird. You’re a bad person, dude in Texas, and you should feel bad. Maybe if you return your gun to its factory condition and offer it for a fair price, someone might want to buy it. Actually, who am I kidding? I bet some smacktard has already gobbled this thing up.

I will only be with you a short time, but the derp will always be with you.

51 thoughts on “Armslist fails: Ruined Mosin-Nagant”

    1. Again ARCHANGEL gets the Crap because we dont fund his morning Latte account. What a piece of work you are Caleb! People LOVE this STOCK – read the reviews. You’d be the first to put this down- but agin – I know your opinion can be bought. SOrry our budgets dont allow for it.

      1. You know, that’s the second time you’ve accused me of selling reviews; which is weird because it’s something I’ve never done. I don’t appreciate people with obvious biases; you know for example employees of a company whose products I’m talking about coming on to my website and attacking my reputation. So, Janelle, you’re welcome to post something that backs up your accusations of my opinion being for sale, or you can go back to shilling shitty products to under-educated consumers.

        Because we all know what ProMag’s reputation in the industry is.

        1. Your reputation is right up there with ours baby. Keep it coming – this article reflects all your greatness. DO your research – there isnt ANY permanent modification to the rifle by adding the stock. The gun loses ZERO value… and it makes it FUN and more ACCURATE to shoot… not that you would be interested in technical details. SO the gun isnt ruined – 3.50? Really. You blather your uneducated opinion and smear it proudly. Go on now – Pied Piper!

          1. If my reputation is garbage among companies like Taurus and ProMag, that means I’m doing my job right. I’ll stick to recommending quality brands to my readers.

          1. You need to check your facts, Janelle. Juli Brayton never spent a dime with us when she worked for Taurus. And for a marketing manager, you’re kind of unclear on how the concept of “advertising” works. Because GunUp the Magazine sold advertising to Taurus, but Taurus never bought favorable reviews or coverage. In fact, during the time GunUp had Taurus as an advertiser, I can count find at least three articles that were not complimentary to their products.

            So maybe you need to check your sources, because uh…how can I put this nicely? They’re full of shit.

          2. I was half convinced this is an elaborate troll, like a really good one. Her name in Jannelle BILEWITCH, and she’s acting rude and immature, gotta be a good troll? and then I kept searching and a woman by this name does work for Pro Mag, so I guess her surname fits her.

  1. Like the thousands of ’03 and ’03-A3 Springfields that were “sporterized” (some of which were done well, in all fairness).

  2. I have shot both versions of the gun.
    The original, while looks cool, is like shooting a exploding 2 x 4 Two or three shots is all I could handle.
    However shooting the one with Archangel stocks while still a handful, Is much more pleasant to shoot,
    Depending on what you need, Have two, one original and a restocked on for serious long range precision shooting is a way to go.

    1. I too have shot an unmodified Mosin-Nagant. Recoil is present, but I’ve never found it to be the horrid beast that the internet seems to think it is.

      Maybe it’s because I know how to shoot?

  3. I lament at the thought of the countless milsurps that were ruined through the years by the retched sporterizing process. It should be illegal to do it. So many models wouldn’t be ridiculously expensive right now if it wasn’t for the thousands of them that were destroyed by people attempting the “make them modern or normal (i.e. boring) looking. If you want a hunting rifle then go buy one that been made for that purpose instead of killing unreplaceable pieces of history.

  4. If it weren’t for the bolt handle mod, I’d say it’s not bad, since it’s all bolt-on and he’s got the original stock. It’s definitely not the worst I’ve seen, though.

    1. Back when I worked at Cabelas, I picked up a 1942 WWII Mauser, it was on a Sporter Stock, I paid a whopping $60 for it. I left the stock at the store and my buddy sent me a nice WWII Mauser stock. The Rifle ended on the cover of the latest Gun Digest Mauser Book. We had to sanitize the German Summer Tunic, but it was a great shot.

  5. Doing that to a mil surplus is nothing short of an abomination.

    Mosin recoil not bad at all IMO and I’m at the age and point in life when shooting guns that beat you half to death is no longer that much fun.

  6. One last thing. ARCHANGEL stocks are a drop in fit – without any permanent modifications to the rifle. There is nothing ruined… especially the original stock that you may want to preserve or keep in pristine condition.

    1. Since you’re trolling, I’ll reply.

      If it’s a drop-in fit, how on earth does it “make it more accurate”? Mosins are notoriously loose in tolerances; simply dropping a barreled action into a stock might make it “easier” to shoot, but probably not more accurate. Plus, how could anyone tell? Many Mosins are doing good to hit “minute of man” accuracy, simply due to said loose tolerances, worn/rusted bores, or overzealous cleaning.

      I call BS.

  7. I think I’d rather have a Ruger American in .308 with a decent scope with some $$ left over for ammo.

  8. Do whatever you want with “your” gun and don’t even think twice about what others have to say; it’s your investment, not theirs. Put rhinestones on it if you want, or have it chrome plated.

    1. And with that, one should also take ownership of the fact if one ruins the value of a gun, car, guitar, ect by poor attempts at modifications. People should understand that if you derp it up, you eat the loss… and wind up with an unusable, difficult to sell pile of fail in your safe, mocking you.

      But, with that, if one’s going to try to go all Bubba derpy Dremmel on a gat, better to derp up a shot out old MN, High Point, Taurus, or other lower tier gun. Morally, it’s better to make a cut down, rhinestone encrusted, tigerstriped “Fitz” special with action job out of an RIA 19ll than an old Remington-Rand.

      1. In the end Daniel S. that is the deal, you paid for the Rifle, you do with it as you wish!! It is YOUR money and it is YOUR Gun!!

      2. Joe,

        I understand your Logic, but…..

        Ten years ago I picked up two WWII 1911’s, they were DCM Guns, Purchased in 1961 for a whopping $12.50. One of them was an arsenal Refinished Remington Rand, I paid $400 for it, and the other one was a 43 Colt Frame with a Remington Rand Slide, that one was tinkered with, the previous owner had polished it and cold blued it, his widow was offered $200 for it at a local Gun Store. When we met, we both figured out that I had once met his daughter and her son in law went to Brooks, right before I did. She sold it to me for the $200 and I eventually put a Colt Slide on it and had it refinished, I didn’t have ANY Colector Value anyway due to the polishing, so I made it into a Photo Prop, but it’s still hell of a good shooter!!

        Back in the 70’s, when IPSC got started, nobody knew that these Pistols were going to be valuable so many shooters picked up these DCM Guns and had them modified to play the sport…. When my dear Gunsmith Friend Floyd Wine Passed in 2004, his widow let me pick from a pile of Take Off 1911 parts, I still have a pile of WW!! parts from that pile!! Floyd modified hundreds of them while he was in the Gun Plumbing Business.

        It’s just like in the late 60’s nobody thought that a Camaro or a Mustang were going to be so treasured, kids got them cheap and tinkered the hell out of them!!

        Using your logic, I should have never Modded and Customized the two Rusty Series 70 Colts I just got for $300 each, and turned them into the Fine Blasters I did…. I should have left them in the Rusty Pathetic heaps they were. I sent them to a great Gun Plumber and made them into fine shooting Machines and most likely they will end up as a Dream Gun in a future Brownells 1911 Catalog.

        My next project is going to be a Longmire 1911, just like the one used in the show, I have a beat up Remington Rand Slide coming, it will be cleaned up and finished, then weathered to look like the one on the show, with the same WWII parts, hell, it’s not like I don’t have a pile of them sitting around here.

        1. Ah, but did you know what you were doing? Did you lop off the 1911’s trigger guard for that cool “fitz special” look” ? Did you try to give it an action job using a Dremmel on full blast to polish the internals? Was the same tool used to add front cocking serrations, or checkering, or engraving, or a drunken mix of all three?

          My logic is not that the classics should be left alone. My logic is one should really know what the hell they are doing before doing it.

          1. Well Jo, they will be good enough to go in the Brownells Catalog and maybe the Cover!!

            They are going to Richter for finish now!!

          2. BTW, I have three 1960’s Walther P38’s Marked P38 that I got for almost nothing, one of them I want to make a Man From UNCLE Pistol with!! Complete with Fake Flash Hider and all!

      3. Better that I do whatever I want to do, with whatever gun I own; even if it’s the Only One of it’s kind in the world. Why, because I own it and I can. What the heck is with all these control freaks?

        1. Because though it may not be against the law, it is against the Code- that unwritten law of etiquette that separates the civilized gentleman from the barbarian. There are things you just don’t do without looking like a yokel or a trashy denizen of the Jerry Springer show. You don’t mix 18 year old single malts with Diet Coke (or anything, really). You don’t put spinning rims and go fast plastic on an Aston Martin. You don’t put ketchup on barbecue in Texas.

          1. Ketchup on BBQ? Now I’m confused. Ketchup is for fries, and steak sauce… Steak sauce goes in the trash. Or on a craptastic steak you just want to choke down to not insult the cook.

          2. Etiquette is for those who wish to live their lives satisfying the control freaks of the world. It has nothing to do with being a Barbarian if you choose to something out of the usual realm of so-called code. Still a Free Country, so thank goodness we are entitled to our own opinions and likes, even if some choose to be controlled by others more than the law dictates.

        2. Yes, it’s your gun, and you can modify it however. But don’t expect anyone else to value your modification the same way you might.

  9. If you want to modify a milsurp, go for it. Trust me, musuems have thousands of them for historical purposes already. You’re not hurting our history. But it doesn’t turn your gun into something more valuable either. It’s still a damn Mosin.

  10. Oh no, I was googling searching and they are making, are have made that stock for Mausers. I can forgive Mosins, they are like a drunk uncle you draw on when he passes out at Thanksgiving. Mausers are like your Grandfather, if your Grandfather was Christopher Lee.

  11. Also I believe the words of Ivan Chesnokov are warranted
    WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

    OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

    RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

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