Umarex USA introduces licensed HK .22 replicas

Umarex USA, the leader in firearm replication, introduces the first official Heckler & Koch (H&K) replicas. The dedicated .22 long rifle (LR) platform is not simply a knock-off but a new, licensed, economically-priced reproduction available in a 416 and MP5 Tactical Rimfire.

For more details, visit HK22Rimfire.com.

Here are some pictures of the new guns from Umarex.

I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about the new guns.  The original ATI GSG-5 didn’t exactly have a stellar reputation for reliability, and the Umarex-made Colt Tactical rimfire is a big ball of fail…so hopefully these guns will manage to suck less than their predecessors.  Perhaps the “HK” logo on the side will fill them with magic.

34 comments for “Umarex USA introduces licensed HK .22 replicas

  1. Tam
    January 8, 2010 at 10:33

    Has Umarex ever built a gun that wasn’t a wretched, pulsating ball of suck?

  2. January 8, 2010 at 10:55

    .22 rimfire + semi-auto

    making that a reliable combination is a difficult nut to crack for anyone, dontcha think?

  3. January 8, 2010 at 11:18

    The S&W M&P-15 .22 manages to pretty reliable. Much moreso than the Umarex Mforgery.

    And Tam, I heard Umarex makes some decent airguns.

  4. Tam
    January 8, 2010 at 12:14

    making that a reliable combination is a difficult nut to crack for anyone, dontcha think?

    Not for Anschutz, Beretta, Browning, Colt, Marlin, Remington, Ruger…

  5. January 8, 2010 at 12:20

    An HK-licensed Umarex MP7 in .22lr is also planned. As much as I’d like to believe that HK’s involvement will mean a higher standard of performance out of Umarex, my skepticism overwhelms my enthusiasm for now.

  6. Shootin' Buddy
    January 8, 2010 at 13:09

    Must depend on the GSG5.

    I have heard the same thing, but Nephew #2’s GSG5 runs like a sewing machine and thanks to living in the sticks and my brother’s 40mm ammo can full of .22, they have the opportunity to stress the gun.

  7. Tam
    January 8, 2010 at 13:13

    Must depend on the GSG5.

    It almost always depends on the individual gun.

    I refer to Colt .380s in some pretty harsh terms because I’ve seen so many crappy ones, but both Bobbi’s work fine.

    It ills me to see people on gun forums say things like “You’re just mocking my Blastomatic 2000! Mine runs great!” No, buddy, I’m not mocking yours, I’m mocking all the other ones I’ve seen that didn’t run great.

  8. January 8, 2010 at 14:27

    Yeah, ultimately I’ve seen too many shitty guns come out of Umarex to be excited about these guns.

  9. January 8, 2010 at 14:36

    “Not for Anschutz, Beretta, Browning, Colt, Marlin, Remington, Ruger…”

    I was specifically thinking Ruger. I’d love to see a Ruger go through 3 factory mags without jamming.

  10. January 8, 2010 at 14:40

    Wait, what? The 10/22 is basically the most bomb proof .22 LR carbine out there.

  11. January 8, 2010 at 15:41

    Sorry Caleb, I have had both a 10-22 and a Marlin M60. The Marlin was more reliable than the Ruger. Magazines are an issue with the Ruger. The factory mags are built to exacting tolerances, and after about 3-5 refills, stop feeding properly, and the aftermarket mags are mostly dogshit.

    Actually, my most reliable .22 semi-auto carbine is my Charter Arms AR-7, which I don’t shoot much because of it’s tiny magazine (dead-ass reliable, though).

  12. Jeff
    January 8, 2010 at 15:44

    I’ve put 500-1000 of the federal copper washed bulk rounds through my 10/22 in a weekend with maybe 5 jams several times. Since I put in the VQ exact edge extractor, 5 turned in to 0.

    I know a couple dozen people who’ve had the same experience.

  13. Tam
    January 8, 2010 at 16:02

    Actually, my most reliable .22 semi-auto carbine is my Charter Arms AR-7

    Boy, did you beat the odds!

    I was specifically thinking Ruger. I’d love to see a Ruger go through 3 factory mags without jamming.

    Sure. Come to the range with me and Shootin’ Buddy sometime.

    Look, I’ve only worked in places that fixed busted guns for fifteen years, so admittedly my sample size is a little small, but I’d have to go with the 10/22 being a paragon of rimfire self-loader reliability. The Marlins run a close second.

    Based on the odds, you couldn’t GIVE me an AR-7. I’d say that one in three (Charter or Henry) that I’ve seen has had some issues and maybe one in ten was a totally unfixable lemon that wouldn’t shoot a complete magazine without a malf no matter what you did…

  14. Tam
    January 8, 2010 at 16:03

    Actually, Rivrdog could give me HIS AR-7, since we know it works. :D

  15. Rick R.
    January 8, 2010 at 16:06

    JT — the only way I have found to get a Ruger 10/22 to run on anything approaching a loose definition of “unreliable” is to:

    1. Use non-Ruger magazines

    2. Use crappy ammo (especially with #1)

    3. Don’t wipe the goo from underneath the extractor hook at least every few hundred rounds (I find my little finger does an adequate job, even when I was running my “let’s not clean it EVAH” test, before I got bored with it after running a couple of bricks through it.)

  16. January 8, 2010 at 16:08

    Yeah, by and large the Ruger is ridiculously reliable. I’ve had several, and never had problems. The Marlin guns would take a close second though, with 3rd going to the S&W MP-22 gun…but that’s not been tested as much as the Ruger or Marlin designs.

  17. January 8, 2010 at 16:49

    Yes, my sample size for the 10/22 is set at “3” 2, really, with any serious trigger time. A lot of the jams are as expected… with a variety of factor mags, but the factory ones jammed too.

    Plus the sample size of “guns I ‘hear’ about”

    I don’t have a statistically sound aversion to them, but it is an aversion none the less.

    Can we wait til warmer weather before this range trip, Tam?

  18. January 8, 2010 at 16:53

    and by “them” I mean semi-auto .22s. My sample size increases when you count pistols I’ve shot along with the 10/22s. MkII, MkIII, Walther p22, Ciener conversion, Mosquito, Buckmark…

    I’ve never gone a range session without any of those jamming at least twice, usually more. (the borrowed Buckmark did the best.) That’s with a varety of major brand bulk ammo types. Admittedly I’ve never shot a lot of premium .22… I expect the better ammo would do better.

  19. Jeff
    January 8, 2010 at 17:37

    Wow, you have bad luck JT. My Mk3 runs all day long with bulk 22. I get two or three failures to fire per brick, but that’s it. Haven’t had a single failure with the Aguila the CMP sells so far in my first bullseye season.

  20. January 8, 2010 at 20:10

    Maybe Fate is telling me something…

  21. January 9, 2010 at 00:15

    Meh. My 10/22 jams twice as often as my GSG5, both using factory mags and the same ammo. They both jam, but the 10/22 seldom makes it through two mags with out stove piping.

    As for the Umarex… after the Colt abortion, I don’t expect much. And as far as H&K “insisting” on high quality? Come on, it’s intended for us mere mortals, er, civilians. Since when did H&K care about us?

  22. Tam
    January 9, 2010 at 00:43

    Meh. My 10/22 jams twice as often as my GSG5, both using factory mags and the same ammo. They both jam, but the 10/22 seldom makes it through two mags with out stove piping.

    The neighbor’s NO2-juiced Civic is quicker than my old 924S, but on average, Hondas are slower than Porches.

  23. Tam
    January 9, 2010 at 00:47

    …and PorSches.

    d’oh!

  24. January 9, 2010 at 02:05

    Stock 10/22 with Tech Sights, aftermarket trigger (just the trigger, not an assembly) and a polyurethyn buffer; and the Gen 2 GSG5 has the RRages screw upgrade.
    I guess my point was that it varies from gun to gun, but there’s examples of both ends of the spectrum in both guns.

    Then again maybe I’m just bitter about H&K’s underhanded bussines practices. The last gen GSGs are apparently pretty good, and even mine is miles above the Umarex Colt messes in quality.

  25. Tam
    January 9, 2010 at 11:16

    Stock 10/22 with Tech Sights, aftermarket trigger (just the trigger, not an assembly) and a polyurethyn buffer; and the Gen 2 GSG5 has the RRages screw upgrade.

    Sorry, I guess using “NO2″ muddied my analogy; let me try again: “I am taller than Caleb, but on average, men are taller than women.”

    I guess my point was that it varies from gun to gun, but there’s examples of both ends of the spectrum in both guns.

    Yes. This.

    Your individual 10/22 may have more frequent malfs than your individual GSG-5, but taken as a whole, that’s not the way to bet.

  26. January 9, 2010 at 11:46

    D:

    I’M SO SHORT.

  27. January 9, 2010 at 12:44

    Admittedly I’ve never shot a lot of premium .22… I expect the better ammo would do better.

    My fiancee’s MKIII will run smooth all day with bulk ammo… As long as it’s jacketed. Lead ammo jams like crazy because the sharp chamber edge digs into the bullet.

    With jacketed rounds, the only malfs I ever remember happening were bum primers.

  28. Jon
    January 9, 2010 at 16:27

    I’ve only seen 3 Ruger 10/22s with factory problems. Those were bent front sights. I’ve seen one customer strip the holes for the scope bases. Every other problem has been bad ammo, bad aftermarket mags/parts, or operator error.
    I can’t remember the last Marlin 60 I’ve seen a problem with.
    We have only seen a couple of S&W M&P15-22s with problems. One had minor feeding issues. The other one blew a case when it fired out of battery. It also blew the extractor off.
    The absolute worst .22 on the market in my opinion is the Mossberg 702 Plinkster. They are just junk. What do people think they are getting when the guns regularly sell for $99.99?

  29. Tam
    January 9, 2010 at 21:56

    I can’t remember the last Marlin 60 I’ve seen a problem with.

    Oh, I’ve seen plenty of Marlin 60s with problems, but the “problems” usually involved shooting 5,000 rounds spread out over fifteen years without ever being cleaned and maybe getting some WD-40 squirted into the action once, about… ten years ago? Or was it twelve?

  30. Pop N Fresh
    January 10, 2010 at 03:00

    I have shot plenty of ruger 10/22 and after market mags account for most of the problems. Factory mags or tactical innovation mags and most problems will disappear. Ruger makes a damn fine semi .22

  31. Rick R.
    January 11, 2010 at 10:17

    I have found that the reliability of a 10/22 with aftermarket magazines improves dramatically when fed CCI Ctingers or MiniMags.

    OTH, with factory mags, I have yet to see ANY .22LR ammo mine haven’t liked that I could identify the manufacturer. Did have some noted (gun related malfs, not just “crappy primer” hangfires) while using factory mags with a couple of ziploc baggies full of old and tarnished lead ammo with an unknown headstamp a neighbor found in her attic left over from her husband who’d been dead at about ten years. . .

    And in addition to being nearly “hammer reliable” when fed well and wiping down the bolt face with a finger or toothbrush every few hundred rounds, I find the 10/22 to be adequately accurate out of the box for any plinking I might do. Yeah, when benching it at 50 or 100 yards, I have noticed groups larger than I could shoot with a really good rifle, but it’s a plinking .22, for Heaven’s sake. And accuracy is just a few aftermarket upgrades away. . . (Although I’d assemble one from scratch if I was going that route — probably wouldn’t have any Ruger parts in it but the magazine at that point. . . )

    My major issues with the Ruger are minor items, like the magazine release, bolt lock/release, and rear sight — all of which are easily and cheaply corrected.

  32. January 11, 2010 at 10:34

    Rick, just one thing – the magazine release issue has in fact been corrected by Ruger. All factory 10/22s now ship with an extended mag release, the way they should have been made all along.

  33. Rick R.
    January 11, 2010 at 12:43

    Cool — is the new mag release polymer, or metal, do you know?

  34. January 11, 2010 at 23:45

    Polymer, and the trigger group housing is poly as well. The finish on the receiver has a rough texture, but they come with a scope rail.

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